E36: over ten iterations FPO++ collapses pi0.5 and DPPO barely moves it - #93
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E32's fpopp on two server seeds and E25's DPPO cell, unchanged, for ten iterations; iteration-5 and iteration-10 checkpoints evaluated. Learns: 42 of 50 at iteration 10 on every run of the cell. P1 all complete, P2 FPO++ holds through nine updates, P3 DPPO holds; whether any learns is reported, expected not to. Written before any E36 run.
… holds it at 20/50 by barely moving it
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E36 was pre-registered at bb9d36b, before any run. It runs pi0.5 on LIBERO-10 task 8 for ten iterations under E32's FPO++ arm (two server seeds) and E25's DPPO. Fifty-episode evaluations at iterations 5 and 10; the untrained policy scores 30.9 ± 3.6:
fpopp-s7fpopp-s8dppotimeouton the clients. That fits two iterations, not ten iterations of about 80 minutes each, so the tenth learn step was killed mid-flight and no iteration-10 checkpoint was written. DPPO completed.What the logs show: FPO++'s flow-matching loss on the policy's own fresh samples rose from 0.11 to 114 / 407, and its clipped fraction climbed to 75–99%. The policy came apart, the same shape as E37 on square. Both ran with FPO's own defaults that FPO++ does not share: rewards ×10, per-epoch value refresh, one learning rate, no clipping. E39 (on #91) is testing FPO++'s full settings on square first.
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pi0-policy· DPPO stays "holds".pi0-policy· FPO held for one update (E32) and collapsed within five iterations here. Its cell's status and note will change with the next figure update.