diff --git a/CHANGELOG.md b/CHANGELOG.md
index 85f64896c..0996ff3f6 100644
--- a/CHANGELOG.md
+++ b/CHANGELOG.md
@@ -83,6 +83,7 @@
 * [#3018](https://github.com/ruby-grape/grape/pull/3018): Stop copying the auth middleware per request - [@ericproulx](https://github.com/ericproulx).
 * [#3023](https://github.com/ruby-grape/grape/pull/3023): Raise from `error!` instead of throwing `:error`, so a transaction it leaves rolls back - [@ericproulx](https://github.com/ericproulx).
 * [#3027](https://github.com/ruby-grape/grape/pull/3027): Scrub outside input through one helper, `Grape::Util::Scrub` - [@ericproulx](https://github.com/ericproulx).
+* [#3028](https://github.com/ruby-grape/grape/pull/3028): Resolve a scope's request params in `ParamsScope` instead of the params DSL - [@ericproulx](https://github.com/ericproulx).
 * [#3030](https://github.com/ruby-grape/grape/pull/3030): Restore the Error middleware's two defaults without restating every option - [@ericproulx](https://github.com/ericproulx).
 * Your contribution here.
 
diff --git a/lib/grape/dsl/parameters.rb b/lib/grape/dsl/parameters.rb
index 122437438..f87ff90ac 100644
--- a/lib/grape/dsl/parameters.rb
+++ b/lib/grape/dsl/parameters.rb
@@ -179,26 +179,6 @@ def declared_param?(param)
 
       alias group requires
 
-      EmptyOptionalValue = Object.new.freeze
-
-      # @param params [Hash] initial hash of parameters
-      # @return hash of parameters relevant for the current scope
-      # @api private
-      # Only a +given+ scope ever stores qualifying params, and a scope on an
-      # independent chain has none above it (see ParamsScope#independent?), so
-      # the lookup and the +presence+ test that follows it are skipped -- both
-      # of them, at every level, on every call.
-      def params(params)
-        scoped = if @parent.nil?
-                   params
-                 elsif @independent
-                   @parent.params(params)
-                 else
-                   @parent.qualifying_params.presence || @parent.params(params)
-                 end
-        @element ? map_params(scoped, @element) : scoped
-      end
-
       private
 
       # +requires+ and +optional+ differ only in whether what they declare is
@@ -245,21 +225,6 @@ def redispatch_legacy_options(method_name, args, opts, &)
       def first_hash_key_or_param(parameter)
         parameter.is_a?(Hash) ? parameter.keys.first : parameter
       end
-
-      def map_params(params, element, is_array: false)
-        case params
-        when Array
-          params.map do |el|
-            map_params(el, element, is_array: true)
-          end
-        when Hash
-          params[element] || (@optional && is_array ? EmptyOptionalValue : {})
-        when EmptyOptionalValue
-          EmptyOptionalValue
-        else
-          {}
-        end
-      end
     end
   end
 end
diff --git a/lib/grape/validations/attributes_iterator.rb b/lib/grape/validations/attributes_iterator.rb
index e4249cf2b..d058de69a 100644
--- a/lib/grape/validations/attributes_iterator.rb
+++ b/lib/grape/validations/attributes_iterator.rb
@@ -117,7 +117,7 @@ def store_indices(tracker, target_scope, index, parent_indices)
       # at the parameter parsing stage as they are required to ensure
       # the correct indexing is maintained
       def skip?(val)
-        val == Grape::DSL::Parameters::EmptyOptionalValue
+        ParamsScope::EmptyOptionalValue.equal?(val)
       end
     end
   end
diff --git a/lib/grape/validations/params_scope.rb b/lib/grape/validations/params_scope.rb
index 4d653a12f..654e7c368 100644
--- a/lib/grape/validations/params_scope.rb
+++ b/lib/grape/validations/params_scope.rb
@@ -16,6 +16,24 @@ def qualifying_params
         ParamScopeTracker.current&.qualifying_params(self)
       end
 
+      # @param params [Hash] initial hash of parameters
+      # @return hash of parameters relevant for the current scope
+      # @api private
+      # Only a +given+ scope ever stores qualifying params, and a scope on an
+      # independent chain has none above it (see #independent?), so the
+      # lookup and the +presence+ test that follows it are skipped -- both of
+      # them, at every level, on every call.
+      def params(params)
+        scoped = if @parent.nil?
+                   params
+                 elsif @independent
+                   @parent.params(params)
+                 else
+                   @parent.qualifying_params.presence || @parent.params(params)
+                 end
+        @element ? map_params(scoped, @element) : scoped
+      end
+
       include Grape::DSL::Parameters
       include Grape::Validations::ParamsDocumentation
 
@@ -33,6 +51,12 @@ def qualifying_params
       NOT_VALIDATED = Object.new.freeze
       private_constant :NOT_VALIDATED
 
+      # What {#params} hands back for an element of an Array that left an
+      # optional scope out, in place of that scope's params. Dropping the
+      # element instead would shift the indices the errors name, so it stays,
+      # and AttributesIterator and the validators pass over it.
+      EmptyOptionalValue = Object.new.freeze
+
       class Attr
         attr_reader :key, :scope
 
@@ -283,6 +307,21 @@ def push_declared_params(attrs, as: nil, declared_params_scope: self)
 
       private
 
+      def map_params(params, element, is_array: false)
+        case params
+        when Array
+          params.map do |el|
+            map_params(el, element, is_array: true)
+          end
+        when Hash
+          params[element] || (@optional && is_array ? EmptyOptionalValue : {})
+        when EmptyOptionalValue
+          EmptyOptionalValue
+        else
+          {}
+        end
+      end
+
       def build_full_path
         return @parent.full_path + [@element] if nested?
         return @parent.full_path if lateral?
diff --git a/lib/grape/validations/validators/base.rb b/lib/grape/validations/validators/base.rb
index d59f7260b..43984413f 100644
--- a/lib/grape/validations/validators/base.rb
+++ b/lib/grape/validations/validators/base.rb
@@ -178,7 +178,7 @@ def validate_elements!(elements)
 
           elements.each_with_index do |element, index|
             tracker&.store_index(scope, index)
-            next if Grape::DSL::Parameters::EmptyOptionalValue.equal?(element)
+            next if ParamsScope::EmptyOptionalValue.equal?(element)
 
             @attrs.each do |attr_name|
               validate_param!(attr_name, element) if required? || (hash_like?(element) && element.key?(attr_name))
@@ -203,7 +203,7 @@ def passed_over?(val, element)
         # Array instead of a Hash. An empty element of the scope's own Array is
         # passed over only when every element of that Array is empty.
         def empty_element?(element)
-          return true if Grape::DSL::Parameters::EmptyOptionalValue.equal?(element)
+          return true if ParamsScope::EmptyOptionalValue.equal?(element)
 
           element.respond_to?(:empty?) ? element.empty? : element.nil?
         end
diff --git a/spec/grape/dsl/parameters_spec.rb b/spec/grape/dsl/parameters_spec.rb
index ce5f11cee..6351b36f9 100644
--- a/spec/grape/dsl/parameters_spec.rb
+++ b/spec/grape/dsl/parameters_spec.rb
@@ -7,7 +7,7 @@
     Class.new do
       include Grape::DSL::Parameters
 
-      attr_accessor :api, :element, :parent
+      attr_accessor :api
 
       def initialize
         @validates = []
@@ -302,34 +302,4 @@ def new_group_scope(group)
       expect { subject.requires(type: Integer) }.not_to raise_error
     end
   end
-
-  describe '#params' do
-    it 'inherits params from parent' do
-      parent_params = { foo: 'bar' }
-      subject.parent = Object.new
-      allow(subject.parent).to receive_messages(params: parent_params, qualifying_params: nil)
-      expect(subject.params({})).to eq parent_params
-    end
-
-    describe 'when params argument is an array of hashes' do
-      it 'returns values of each hash for @element key' do
-        subject.element = :foo
-        expect(subject.params([{ foo: 'bar' }, { foo: 'baz' }])).to eq(%w[bar baz])
-      end
-    end
-
-    describe 'when params argument is a hash' do
-      it 'returns value for @element key' do
-        subject.element = :foo
-        expect(subject.params(foo: 'bar')).to eq('bar')
-      end
-    end
-
-    describe 'when params argument is not a array or a hash' do
-      it 'returns empty hash' do
-        subject.element = Object.new
-        expect(subject.params(Object.new)).to eq({})
-      end
-    end
-  end
 end
diff --git a/spec/grape/validations/attributes_iterator_spec.rb b/spec/grape/validations/attributes_iterator_spec.rb
index fcac9153b..1b1dfa1f0 100644
--- a/spec/grape/validations/attributes_iterator_spec.rb
+++ b/spec/grape/validations/attributes_iterator_spec.rb
@@ -27,7 +27,7 @@
     end
 
     context 'when an element is the empty optional placeholder' do
-      let(:params) { [Grape::DSL::Parameters::EmptyOptionalValue, 10] }
+      let(:params) { [Grape::Validations::ParamsScope::EmptyOptionalValue, 10] }
 
       it 'does not yield it' do
         expect { |b| iterator.each(params, &b) }.to yield_successive_args([params[1], false])
diff --git a/spec/grape/validations/params_scope_spec.rb b/spec/grape/validations/params_scope_spec.rb
index 2c5b4f5c1..527e8219a 100644
--- a/spec/grape/validations/params_scope_spec.rb
+++ b/spec/grape/validations/params_scope_spec.rb
@@ -2241,6 +2241,54 @@ def initialize(value)
     end
   end
 
+  # A nested scope's block runs with that scope as self, which is how these
+  # examples get hold of one.
+  describe '#params' do
+    let(:api) { Class.new(Grape::API) }
+
+    it 'answers the params it is given at the root' do
+      params = { foo: 'bar' }
+      expect(described_class.new(api:).params(params)).to be(params)
+    end
+
+    it 'answers the value under its element' do
+      foo = nil
+      described_class.new(api:) do
+        requires :foo, type: Hash do
+          foo = self
+          requires :bar
+        end
+      end
+      expect(foo.params({ foo: { bar: 1 } })).to eq({ bar: 1 })
+    end
+
+    it 'answers the value under its element in each element of an Array further up' do
+      sub = nil
+      described_class.new(api:) do
+        requires :items, type: Array do
+          requires :sub, type: Hash do
+            sub = self
+            requires :a
+          end
+        end
+      end
+      expect(sub.params({ items: [{ sub: { a: 1 } }, { sub: { a: 2 } }] })).to eq([{ a: 1 }, { a: 2 }])
+    end
+
+    it 'answers an empty Hash when the scope above resolved to neither a Hash nor an Array' do
+      bar = nil
+      described_class.new(api:) do
+        requires :foo, type: Hash do
+          requires :bar, type: Hash do
+            bar = self
+            requires :baz
+          end
+        end
+      end
+      expect(bar.params({ foo: 'not a hash' })).to eq({})
+    end
+  end
+
   describe Grape::Validations::ParamsScope::Attr do
     let(:scope) { instance_double(Grape::Validations::ParamsScope) }